the prophet. and you have no ability, no capability of your own. so you completely relying on him and it s dreadful because there s nothing you can do about it. and so you re desperate. and it s desperate as somebody that s floundering around in the water looking for a breath of air. as lundgren s control continues to take a dark turn, some group members fear what is to come. one man flees the group and warns authorities that this cult is on a path toward carnage. curry, who left the group and finally called the fbi, said they were afraid to leave. he was afraid to leave. he was afraid that jeff had enough information, was powerful enough he would track him down and kill him for sure. as the fbi begins to monitor the group, lundgren devises his next test for his followers. he tells them that the second coming of christ will only occur
for questioning. isolated on a remote farm, lundgren is able to control all of his followers. he dictates their every move. for some, even their thoughts. no one around you ever had secret discussions? no, in fact, that kind of communication control is a huge part of the setting. without the setting, you don t have the effects that this kind of thing can bring about. how was that imposed? how did he impose the control over 20 people? well, there s the subtleness of eventually keeping certain conversations restricted. in other words, there are certain things you don t need to talk about and there are certain things you shouldn t talk about. and there s a lot of reprisals for any time someone would do something. a form of nonphysical punishment. lundgren convinces luff and the other followers that their sins will delay the second coming of christ. there s threats of eternal
up in prisons. for inmate joseph garner, processing his horrific crime has been the hardest part of his punishment. i have been down 9 1/2 years. i got 22 1/2 more to go. i ve been my crime is murder, and i cannibalized during the process. on christmas night, 1996, joseph thought his father was preventing the second coming of christ. i tackled him from behind and somehow got around behind him and slit his throat. and i remember him saying, please don t kill me. and that s when i realized, oh, my god, what am i doing? i said whatever is done has already been done. by this time, i m totally wigged out and i pulled his brain out, you know, and took a bite out of it. joseph garner s treatment in the rtu helped him assimilate
garner killed his father on christmas eve 1995. at the time, he believed his dad was preventing the second coming of christ. again, we ll warn you, his account of the murder is extremely graphic. i eventually told him to sit in the chair and not to move. and i started singing the battle hymn of the republic. glory, glory, hallelujah. i told him they re coming. do you hear them? i was wigged out completely at that time. he must have got scared. and he jumped up and tried to push me aside and i thought he was attacking me. i stabbed him in the back. he took about three steps. i tackled him from behind, somehow got behind him and slit his throat. and i remember him saying please don t kill me. that s when i realized, oh, my god. what am i doing? our producer later described her interview with garner as exhausting as he often took the conversation on bizarre tangents. each and every nanosecond, moment, impulse second, whatever the latest measurement of time is. repressed freudian
literally bring it on. it s like christians say, let s bring on the return of jesus. what do we have to do? well, why don t we just put a stamp on everyone s hand or chip under the skin, that will bring jesus back. chaos reigns. that is what mahmoud ahmadinejad wants to happen. that is why khomeini said no. one that returned from exile that led iran into extremism. he says they are nuts. in this particular sect of islam not only do they believe the 12th imam will return and return with widespread islam, they go a step further. they can hasten his return just like any crazy christian that thought, wow, we can bring the second coming of christ. it s crazy.