these cut-outs like wikileaks and guccifer 2 to assist the campaign without putting the campaign s fingerprints directly on it. congressman adam schiff, democrat from california, thanks so much for your time today. coming up, english only. the president wants new restrictions on what kinds of immigrants can come into america. will his own party support him on this? we ll ask a top republican senator next. the dna summer sale is here. get your ancestrydna kit. spit. mail it in. learn about you and the people and places that led to you. go explore your roots. take a walk through the past. meet new relatives and see how a place and its people are all a part of you. ancestrydna. save 30% through august 15th at ancestrydna.com.
i was not an intelligence officer, never. he also told the post he was born in russia and became a u.s. citizen in 2009. his lobbying effort which he did on behalf of the russian lawyer veselnitskaya was aimed at repealing the magnitsky act which sanctions russians accused of human rights abuses. a complaint filed against him with the department of justice claims that effort was on behalf of the kremlin. i spoke earlier today with gop congressman adam kinzinger and he made a point to me, jim, many intelligence officials made as well. when russia is doing intelligence operations they don t necessarily deploy people in uniforms, right, with kgb name tags, et cetera. in fact, they don t do that. they use what are called cut outs. they use people tied to the kremlin, former military officers, lobbyists, et cetera. that doesn t establish that that s exactly what this meeting was, but it fits a pattern. and that s something that both democrats and republicans on the investigative committee
just came out of the woodwork today as being an additional person at this meeting? you heard jim sciutto talk about this, the use of cut outs. they are not beneath using people who have loose or no relationship with the government and try to co-opt them and find stuff out for them. prospectively innocently, but then they get sucked into a larger vortex, potential espionage. i don t know what the case here with this meeting, but it certainly wouldn t surprise me if they used some of this meeting and used the approach to it to feel out the trump campaign to see how much the trump campaign really wanted to work with them. and jared kushner was in this meeting. his name, we haven t really talked about jared kushner as much in the context as much as we ve talked about donald trump, jr. john, just a follow-up question since you re familiar with this area. what about his security clearance? can he credibly hang onto that security clearance at this point? as i understand it, jim, he s go
bill: great note on history there, rich. and i think what you just talked about with the comparisons to being new political leaders cannot be overlooked. he had never run for office before, and he did this and won it, same for donald trump. correct, nella, they are on different sides of the spectrum, one is a nationalist, trump, very forthrightly, and macron is more cut outs, that s goes for that handshake that was heard around the world, the competition of wills and that handshake, so that is something that divides them, but you look at france and the broad sweep of things, this is a country that is extremely proud of its history, it is extremely proud and protective of its subsistent culture, this is a country that goes back at least to charlemagne and the breakup of
of a foreign national for something of value, it doesn t have to be money. could be information. that s an fec, federal election commission law violation. and there may be, and there have been already complaints filed by common cause and others with respect to that. interesting to me as well is that donald trump jr. s first statement was this was a meeting about adoptions. well, adoptions as we know and has been reported by the new york times is really just another word for sanctions. so if donald trump jr. was going into a meeting with russian cut-outs to talk about sanctions at a time just before the republican convention and the platform debate about ukraine and sanctions and arming opponents, then that becomes a very problematic issue where, like with manafort rather, like with flynn, where they are discussing sanctions, that s potentially a crime in and of itself. with respect to the collusion