legally and said, gee, we re in the united states of america john: sounds like you ve got a lot to talk about. we do. these are not new issues, is the other point, john. john: no, of course. these are issues that members of congress don t know a lot about. there s nothing we re going to learn, frankly, in the next three weeks we don t know now. so let s get started, let s find solutions. let s not continue to disappoint the people we work for by not showing the ability to work together. john: and ronald reagan learned in the 1980s the dangers of cutting a deal on in 2013 we passed major immigration reform, bipartisan bill, which took everything. it was a 40 list ec approach. it was security. $44 billion for security. it was a pathway forward. it was a queue number that you basically got in the back of the line. we did everything possible to look at the whole immigration problem. on top of that, nobody if they went through ten years of doing everything they were
a mile which might help you interdicting drug trafficking, but all those migrants, honduras, el salvador, nicaragua, the northern triangle countries, they can still even with a border barrier get feet on u.s. soil, and their goal is to be apprehended by the border patrol. so how would building a barrier in texas affect this problem of illegal immigration that the president talks about each and every day? that goes back to the larger discussion about border security. yes, there are a barrier there s a barrier, and the part that sometimes gets forgotten about is something the president s talked about many, many times is to change our laws. you re absolutely right. if the barrier is back one foot from the or border and someone can get one foot on our soil depending on what country they re from, they can claim asylum and stay here almost indefinitely. it s why some of the other things we ve done, the deal we ve negotiated with mexico to allow folks who are claiming asylum here to have
one source went so far as to say this particular week the u.s. federal government before the shutdown ended was more vulnerable to cyber attacks, phishing, spearing attacks and terrorism online than at any point in history, and it s going to take months to retube the losses to get recoup the losses. john: i think a mutual friend of ours was saying if you were going to attack the united states if you were a terrorist now s a great time. john: so chuck schumer goes into the negotiations really kind of saying, i told you so, juan. let s listen to what he said then get your reaction. no one should ever underestimate the speaker as donald trump has learned. the unity of our two caucuses really worked because i believe the president himself believed and was told by a couple of his advisers, you ve written about them, that, oh, just hold out, and we ll get the democrats to crack and join us. he was unable to do that. john: all right. so we ve got 19 days of negotiations. can the presi
democrats to crack at all on funding for a border barrier? i don t see it right now, john. i mean, what we know from the polling, and we ve had some recent polls indicating very clearly now, i think it s 54% of the american people don t favor the wall. so that the wall itself, which is a huge political symbol for this president, does not seem to have the political power that he thought. we have seen his numbers drop. the ap poll, julie is here, now has him at 34% approval. that s a drop for him. i m particularly in touch with the idea that independents who i think are key as we look towards 2020 and the president and his team are increasingly focused on his re-election prospects, you look at the independents and what they re saying is disapproval up ten points. that is 63%. and so overall, even just the general discussion of the topic of border security, republicans historically hold the advantage. what we see now is that the two sides are equal at 42% trust
shining seawall, it s not a giant 30-foot concrete barrier that so many democrats seem to have any difficulty with. he even put daca and tps on the table at some point during this process, and they refused to even engage. so i think the better question is what are the democrats willing to do. the president from the very beginning here actually has been the one willing to negotiate. he was the one staying in washington, d.c. when nancy went to hawaii. he s the one who stayed in d.c. when democrats all went down to puerto rico. he was in d.c. when she tried to go to europe and the middle east last week. he wants to negotiate on the deal. the democrat leadership simply refused to take him up on it. john: it is fordue choice that we have senator joe manchin coming up. would you recommend another shutdown to the president if there s no deal by february 15th? look, we look at it going backwards, what do we need to protect the country. and we need border security, and that includes a barrie