so you would go to the prison in topeka and have visits with rochelle shannon? yes. did you admire shelly shannon? she was i guess, yeah. you admired her. and you admired her because she had tried to kill dr. tiller? i admired the fact that she is that a yes or a no, sir? yes. he started talking about how it was how it was murder, that these doctors were murdering babies. if they re going to murder the babies, well, we re going to murder them. if they kill, then they should be killed. it was hard to live with. nick went to school one morning. i went to work. i came home and scott was gone. money was gone. his clothes were gone. he was just gone. after leaving his family, roeder gets involved with an anti-government militia known as the montana free men. in 1996, he is arrested on the side of a kansas highway. he had sovereign citizen tags on his car so he was pulled over. he had a rifle in the car.
end. he wanted it to go on and on. one of the first things nick realized after he had heard about the shooting, after scott had been arrested was, wow, mom, he was saying good-bye to me. the next morning, saturday, may 30th, roeder visits his brother in topeka and then returns to wichita, checking into a motel by sunday. do you remember what you did that night? watched tv, ate dinner and went to bed. pretty calm evening? yeah. were you preparing yourself for the next morning? yes. [ male announcer ] for dad s first job as dad. nissan tests hundreds of child seats to give you a better fit and a safer trip. snug kids, only from nissan.
where would that have been? at george tiller s clinic. by the early 1990s scott roeder had committed his life to fighting the abortion battle. but at one time years prior, he had chosen a much more conventional path. i met scott exactly on december 29, 1981. smile. that was upsetting. say something clever. something clever? he wasn t particularly romantic. but he was very sweet and very kind. we just hit it off. there was just something that clicked. there s this one time in our wedding, our heads are back and we re just laughing. we were just really happy. the trouble started, it was the summer before nick turned 3. and we just weren t making ends meet. and one day he had one of those aha moments. can you tell the jury what kind of led up to your conversion, if you will? yes. i had been watching the 700 club regularly, a christian program. i was alone in my living room.
dr. tiller as someone that wants to take action and end tiller s life. at that time i think roeder began really formulating a plan to end the life of dr. tiller. and he finally started to recognize that the only point that he could find him where he would be unaware is at his church. scott roe dechder began to make trips down to wichita. he would go and attend services at the reformation lutheran church. we thought he was interested in joining our church. i couldn t help but notice he was never a part of the service. he was not worshipping in our church. it bothered me to the point that i followed him out, saw the car he got into and i wrote his license tag number at that point. he was not accepted by the congregation. did not fit in. but there was never any indication he was there to hurt dr. tiller. on sunday, may 24th, scott roeder travels the 200 miles from his home in kansas city to wichita.
he visits the reformation lutheran church once again. this time with full intent to kill dr. tiller. scott, were you armed that day? yes. what were you armed with? i believe it was a it was the taurus. 22 taurus? yes. but dr. tiller is not at church that day so scott roeder returns to kansas city. five days later, roeder calls his ex-wife with a request to spend the evening with his teenage son. having devoted himself to the laws of messianic judaism and the strict adherence to the friday sabbath, it s very out of character for roeder. picked up his son, took him to dinner. they spent some time together which, again, his son knew that that was very unusual. just the fact that it was friday. and on the sabbath, that shouldn t have happened. they went to dinner, they went to a movie. scott wanted to buy him ice cream. he wanted to go with him to visit with his friends. he didn t want the evening to