but that s not really the case of what actually happened. is that the way the organization itself was run? to my experience, absolutely. it was always run in chaos. and there was a lot of splitting people up, and a lot of dividing and conquering. trump liked to have controversy. he liked to be surrounded by controversy. he wanted his people, you know, competing with each other. he liked that environment? absolutely. did he think it was productive or just do you know why he liked it? just part of his nature? i think he thought, at the time, and he says this, i have the best people. and he was always trying to make one better than the other. and you could see him when he brought in scaramucci and all that stuff, competing, competing, competing. you know, that was something he liked to do, yes. fascinating. barbara res, thank you so much. always my pleasure. nice to talk to you. more help on cutting through the confusing fog that the president s attorney left us with t
a peon he was. remarkable. he seemed to have been demoted. it s incredible they would try to distance themselves from someone who was literally the chairman. scaramucci, you can get away with and say he was here for 11 days. bill is right in that michael cohen and mike and other people have found the idea there was one recording of michael cohen and the president not knowing he was recorded is probably a way bigger headache in their mind than only some part of what paul manafort was doing in the campaign. the trump administration has a lot of worries and this trial might not be at the top of their list. how big of a piece of the russia investigation, if it s a pie, what segment of it does paul manafort represent? we don t know. that s the thing. we don t know. mueller may not know. that s why they re trying so hard to get him to cooperate. they would love to have him
grim when he was a congressman was very good at couldnnstituen services and well liked in the community. until he went to prison. and it is interesting. president trump has endorsed dan donovan but michael grimm has the support of trump officials or supporters. you have cory lewandowski and steve bannon and i think scaramucci. here is michael grimm running as the hare to trumpism in many ways. take a listen. they have flat screen tv and toys and things they never had. they have comfortable living conditions. so the idea that it is somehow cruel compared to the journey those parents just took the kids on, how do you say that? i think the pashs that took them on the journey is cruel and i think they are unfit. that is him talking about the conditions under which the kids separated from the parents, they have flat screen tvs and toys
let me get both of you to weigh in. vaing vote against the gop, he went as far as to call ryan quote the president s poodles and writes the congressional republican caucus must be so substantially reduced that they will be stripped of the constitution s article one powers and they have been too invertebrate to use against the current wielder of article two powers. he went on to say ryan converted his political soul for a tax cut. i think you have george will in the ditch of i m all against trump and that s what i have been talking about before. the things we have to take a look at what our results were when we cheered him on, if it is isis on the run or moving the embassy to jerusalem those are all things i cheered him on for. to hold him to account whether it be scaramucci, a judge is
i think he has been around long enough to recognize how weird this administration is, how not normal it is. with regard to who trump is hiring it s slim pickings at this point there is not a lot of people who want to work for the administration. look at the attrition. i don t have the most accurate numbers right now but so many people left. there were people who were in the white house less than a week in his administration. scaramucci. ten days. give him credit. ten days. i want to ask you about a development this the mueller investigation. cnbc is reporting that witnesses turn in personal phones to inspect their encrypted messaging pramts. that seems standard for what we ve read about mueller s investigation. do you think there is a sense people are holding back evidence? do you think this is targeted toward certain group of witnesses? i think that there are going to be a number of people in the trump circle we know manafort is already one of them that