feds. manafort s lawyers are saying, well, you know, this is a first-time offense and he s an older guy and crimes like the ones that he s been convicted of are normally not punished to the max, it s going to be up to judge ellis to make that decision tomorrow. but even if manafort evans up getting a lighter sentence, as you say, he has to go on to face his reckoning in d.c. so it s looking pretty bleak for him. i d just like to add, brian, rewinding to the point about what giuliani s interest might be in suggesting sort of urging cohen, baiting cohen to return to attorney-client privilege. i wonder if giuliani s game here is to try to contend that cohen was seek a pardon from donald trump and to say, well, cohen made this sort of sleazy offer to us, you know, i ll keep my mouth shut if i can count on a pardon and i think that would be a smart sort of pr strategy on the part of giuliani and the white house to say cohen was asking for this and it wasn t
pardon and i think that would be a smart sort of pr strategy on the part of giuliani and the white house to say cohen was asking for this and it wasn t the president that was initiating it. that s the only motive i can see in juliet ni saying that. but i think it s an interesting question to try to think more about. robert costa, how about you take on that interesting question? at this moment we have michael cohen having testified publicly that he was not seeking a pardon. yet there are always conversations among attorneys about the state of cases, things that are sometimes inferred and not explicitly said. that today is what members of the intelligence committee, both democrats and republicans in the house, were probing. what was cohen trying to tell them today behind closed doors about the extent of his conversations with the trump legal team? and it does seem to be murky because some of it relies on mr. cohen s memory and mr. cohen s word, which he has been proven in the past to
back taxes he has evaded, did not fully cooperate with the feds. manafort s lawyers are saying, well, you know, this is a first-time offense and he s an older guy and crimes like the ones that he s been convicted of are normally not punished to the max, it s going to be up to judge ellis to make that decision tomorrow. but even if manafort evans up getting a lighter sentence, as you say, he has to go on to face his reckoning in d.c. so it s looking pretty bleak for him. i d just like to add, brian, rewinding to the point about what giuliani s interest might be in suggesting sort of urging cohen, baiting cohen to return to attorney-client privilege. i wonder if giuliani s game here is to try to contend that cohen was seek a pardon from donald trump and to say, well, cohen made this sort of sleazy offer to us, you know, i ll keep my mouth shut if i can count on a pardon and i think that would be a smart sort of pr strategy on the part of giuliani and the white house to say cohen was
that, but i ll tell you this. on there s plenty of substance we can agree on and there s plenty of substance we re going to disagree on. but i think there is a increasing concern, and not on tv, but behind the scenes from a lot of my colleagues in the republican party about why were things done certain ways? how were they done? let s get to the bottom of this, we want to get the facts. and i think that s our job now, to get the facts, to get the facts out there, not just guess on what happened, but to actually find out what happened. all right. we re going to leave it there. coming up, is michael cohen just the beginning for the people in the trump orbit? democratic members of congress say cohen has given them a road map of where to head next and who to speak and what documents to ask for. the foundation, the trump organization, and the taxes may be on the menu. yikes. that could give somebody indigestion. more on that in just a few. inge. more on that in just a few we see two trav
house. you had lot of people come out and say cohen was asking for a job in the white house. he might be lying again today. i m not sure why. he thought it was a good idea i guess the democrats wanted to subpoena him. neil: there s no chance he said or does would change that he s facing three years in jail. yes. neil: what democrats get out of this outside of the president? nothing except to beat up on trump which is their agenda from day one. it s another perfect example they can continue on and on and say, look, we have another guy calling him a sexist and racist. there s no actual criminal crime here. there s no collusion and there s really nothing new. neil: what i m wondering if all of this is true what michael cohen raised, he was working with him for the decade, why did he put up with it?