right than wrong and it s exactly what putin wanted. joining our conversation, from the border in texas and former democratic congresswoman donna edwards joins us. jacob, you have unbelievable reporting about how a little low tech saw, not medieval at all, cut a big hole through the wall? yeah, i think if you didn t follow this closely, a lot of people might be surprised by this but i don t find it surprising at all. so much of what the president says goes on down here is not based in reality and his preference for a steel barrier has been shown, according to exclusive photo nbc news has obtained is vulnerable to being sawed open with a saw you can buy at home depot. this is what s at the prototype location. he all eight tested. can you see with your own eyes. in fact, can you see right through it with your own eyes, nicole. this is still the one the president is abdicating for a wall as basically a