concerns. no, he said he did so because secretary perry wanted the two leaders to discuss a natural gas project. and for his part, rick perry says it was all about energy and not at all about joe biden or his son. absolutely, i asked the president multiple times, mr. president, we think it is in the united states and in in ukraine s best interest that you and the president of ukraine have conversations, that you discuss the options that are there, absolutely, yes. dana bash is in washington, dana, this transcript we have all read, shows trump and saturdzielinski never discussed energy issue once. what s going on here? rick per are you who we haven t heard much from at all during the three years of the trump administration, and rick