believe and others do too, the most effective state. we have a lower turnover, maybe that says something. we think we have the best health care plan anywhere. it is one which is leading to much lower increases in costs by the way, 93% of indiana state workers have a health savings account. they are accumulating tens of millions of dollars that they control in those accounts. they are renewing at a very high rate, satisfaction rate every year. we are not really believes that we have done anything but improve the lot of indiana public employees. chris: let s take a look at the big picture. this is almost a philosopheical question. don t unions have a place in this country? even in the case of state workers, public workers with government, to make sure that management, in this case, government, doesn t run