former vp mike pence has been on the committee s radar for months because he was in the room for key moments after trump s loss and on january 6th he was with the vice president. cnn senior legal affairs correspondent paula reid joins us from washington. paula, first, what do we know about this second draft executive order aimed at seizing voting machines? we ve formerly reported on an executive order tasking the pentagon with seizing voting machines. we know from our reporting lawmakers have been asking witnesses about that document. now multiple sources tell our colleague zack cohen and i that a second version of that same document exists but it instructs dhs to carry out the same task. we ve also learned from multiple sources that the idea of using the federal government to access voting machines was the brain child of retired colonel phil waldron and mike flynn. both army veterans were pushing
times this is not legal. bill barr, the attorney general, tells him doj can t seize these machines. he s told by ken cuccinelli at dhs they can t seize it. even giuliani says he can t do it. when something is beyond the pale for giuliani, i think that you ve really hit rock bottom in terms of legality. so if trump were directing giuliani, for example, to reach out to dhs as the new york times is reporting happened, is that a crime? ana, i think that this sort of highlights where there may be limits to criminal law. you know, there may be a conspiracy to interfere in the election. i mean this was not specifically trying to obstruct congress, but it highlights why the impeachment process was so important because what this is, is a classic abuse of power. the attempt to use the power and the authority of the presidency to basically undermine the will of the american people and overturn an election.