the argument that mike pence was making was the best one legally. so i think what we re really looking for is when could we see mike pence in front of a grand jury and sarah cnn s learning that former trump national security officials from the department of homeland security , chad wolf and ken cuccinelli have testified to a federal grand jury about trump s efforts and desire to seize voting machines. after the 2020 election. they said that they told the president and his team that he had no authority to do so. this really speaks to how special counsel jack smith is zeroing in. on the various ways . trump tried to overturn his election loss. that s right. i mean, this is excellent reporting from my colleagues at cohen sort of looking at how the special counsel is digging into a bunch of these schemes the trump team considered to try to overturn the 2020 election. of course, we know that one of these sort of crazy ideas under consideration was seizing the voting machines, and
the argument that mike pence was making was the best one legally. so i think what we re really looking for is when could we see mike pence in front of a grand jury and sarah cnn s learning that former trump national security officials from the department of homeland security , chad wolf and ken cuccinelli have testified to a federal grand jury about trump s efforts and desire to seize voting machines. after the 2020 election. they said that they told the president and his team that he had no authority to do so. this really speaks to how special counsel jack smith is zeroing in. on the various ways . trump tried to overturn his election loss. that s right. i mean, this is excellent reporting from my colleagues at cohen sort of looking at how the special counsel is digging into a bunch of these schemes the trump team considered to try to overturn the 2020 election. of course, we know that one of these sort of crazy ideas under consideration was seizing the voting machines, and now we re
and that s what s going to get him in trouble from an abuse of power or obstruction standpoint if he continues this zbliefr michael, ken, got to leave it there. good to see. you appreciate you both weighing in a cnn exclusive. a former trump request employee may be airing claims about the past the exdoorman now released from a contract with the parent company of the national enquirer. the doorman claims he has knowledge of a secret relationship years ago between trump and a former house skeerp that the doorman says resulted in a child. the contract prevented him from talking about the claims. exactly why he is allowed to talk about it now isn t clear. but let s get right to cnn white house reporter sarah westwood standing by outside the white house. and sarah cnn obtained a copy of the contract which we just put up. what can you tell us. obviously the contract represents another legal setback for a president enduring several already.