it s incredible that you could pronounce her name, too. i think we should say her name so people continue to know her. yes. marina ovsyannikova. it is a hard name so day. incredibly courageous young woman. editor at the largest state run television station there. her family, one of her parents is from ukraine, one is from russia. right before she did this, she explained on a video that they never fought. we don t understand what this war is. then facing 15 years in jail, did what she did. but there is another little tidbit that is interesting. this is a giant building. this is their television tower out there. thousands of people work there. you don t march on that screen unless a lot of people are passively allowing you to do that. i think that s something people need to think about. just like those 15,000 that you just mentioned that were arrested, that s incredible
down because their lack of transparency. they haven t been able to confront covid, just like they haven t been able to run their economy the way we can in the west. all these aspects have an impact on the fighting forces. i mean, nothing compares to a military that is fighting for democracy based on democratic values. fighting for freedom, exactly. there s a difference. fighting for freedom. rahm emanuel had a press conference a couple weeks ago, and he made a statement, talking about the difference between the west and russia. right. the west and china. i mean, who are their allies? their alies are convenience. people are still dying. it is not something we re proud of, but i thought it was telling a couple days ago. i want to go to ambassador mcfaul. ambassador mcfaul, this reminds me of something john kennedy said. for all of democracy s failings,
coming, calling the visit a powerful expression of support for ukraine. he also invited other world leaders to join him in kyiv. let s bring in the council on foreign relations, richard haass. former u.s. ambassador to russia, now the director of the institute for international studies at stanford, now an nbc news international affairs analyst, michael mcfall. and host of way too early and white house bureau chief at politico, jonathan lemire. good to have you all with us this morning. michael mcfall, mr. ambassador, we ve been talking for some time, how the last month has really been dizzying, if you look at how quickly history is going. you had people on that train yesterday, and you look at the polls going in the name of the eu. the eu is saying, well, not exactly. still, going in the name of the eu when you had the eu actually
we don t have to build a wall to keep our people in. i read the horrifying story in the new york times about immigrants from india who thought they could cross over into the united states on the northern border. a family of four froze to death. they were so desperate to get into this country. four pages later, inside the new york times, talked about all of the people that were racing out of russia, running out of russia, doing everything they could to get the hell out of there. why do i say this? because this matters in war. this matters to people and what they re fighting for. when they re fighting not only to defend their homes, to defend their communities, to defend their country, they re also fighting for freedom. yeah. oh, my god. that is extraordinarily powerful. that s something that vladimir putin will never understand.
will stop, they ll look at their television set. members of congress will go to their feet and applaud. because these are the people who help us understand just what is at stake over there. everybody at fox news and every network will be thinking of this loss as they cover this story moving forward. coming up on morning joe, russia gets mocked by the white house after sanctioning president biden and several senior democratic officials. plus, nearly 3 million people have fled ukraine as moscow increasingly threatens kyiv. we ll get a live report from the polish border. also ahead, the biden administration is thinking about providing ukraine with killer drones. we ll have brand-new reporting on that. and the federal reserve is set to raise interest rates for the first time since 2018. what that could mean for americans as inflation continues to surge. as we go to break, the mayor