in this situation? what you see happening with the police and with the protests is two communities saying lives matter. the lives of our people matter. you know, and it s really a shame that pat lynch really is exploiting this line right now, trying to affiliate an emotionally troubled man who did something really tragic with the democratic right of protesters to raise their concerns about the fact they feel simultaneously overpoliced and underpoliced. none of these communities are advocating no police. during these periods of protest people get angry, they get emotional, they say things that are heated on both sides, but what really everybody is talking about is good policing, fair policing, safe policing, right? and that gets forgotten in this debate. i want to come to you for a minute, whitney, and ask you about the work you ve been doing. you ve been looking at race relations from the perspective of white people, and i want to get your take on how you imagine white americans pa