Of course, things like gaza, but also this sense that every four years democrats come begging to black folks to safe america and then black folks deliver and then no one delivers to them. and it seems like, you know, joe biden s not talking about racial inequality, there s been no police reforms, there s been no reforms on so many of the issues that black americans go to the ballot and vote for. we don t vetch a voting rights act. we don t veven a party that s willing to v protect our right o vote. so i think that that s what we re seeing. it s just a lot of apathy. folks feeling like yeah. just always being told you have to vote against someone. vo and not for. is not enough. all right, we have more to talk about on this conversation. i know you re busy with book tour. nicole hannah jones, author and creator of the 1619 project. and the great dolly. thank you for your time tonight. we will be right back. r time tonight. we will be right back. i work for the city of new yo
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powerful office within the city of new york. bernie kerik of course was the nypd commissioner, he has been very close allies of giuliani for decades now. and in that crazy window, between election day 2020, and january 2026, bernie kerik very much worked hand and glove with rudy giuliani, under, him on that legal team that was trying to find any sort of evidence, any sort of pretext to make the case that the election had been stolen by joe biden. what we also know, based on the conversation that i had today with bernie kerik s lawyer, who is in the room with the special counsel s team for the interview that bernie kerik held with them earlier this week, is that jack smith s prosecutors were very interested in safe america, interested in who was making decisions about fund raising. and also, interested in who was making decisions about how the money that the pack may raised was spent. when it comes to this fraud