findings of the southern district might have? absolutely not. to my mind, i don t think he s settled that issue at all. in fact, he turned up the heat. it s boiling right now. so part of the the thing we have to deal with are it s the moral consequence and the political consequence and of course the legal consequence. legal is the big one though. if it s the political consequence, however people feel about president trump is locked in and it s not changing. if it s the moral consequence, people voted for president trump knowing he was morally reprehensible and they were okay with it. it s only the third leg that actually matters. so yes, stephanie. but the first two suggested that we are in deep, deep trouble. exactly. my friend, we are in deep trouble. we don t need the suggestion. jack, nbc has been reporting that the feds may have been monitoring cohen s calls. how unusual is that? and how unusual would it be if this is just about campaign
probably knew that details about this payment were likely to come out as a result of the raid and contradict the president s and other people s earlier statements, so he wanted to get out in public the fact that cohen, for example, had been reimbursed. so he wanted to put it out there that, hey, they lied about this, they misrepresented it, so the sting couldn t come from the southern district of new york or bob mueller. i want to share what ronnie deutsch said on morning joe because rudy giuliani has been saying about town this week, i m here to help the president, but he also said i want to help michael cohen. danny deutsch spoke to michael cohen yesterday. i want to share what he said. i spoke with michael cohen said and his quote about giuliani was he doesn t know what he s talking about. he said look, there are two people who don t know what happened, myself and the president, and you ll be hearing my side of the story. he was frustrated at what had
finance? would be highly, highly unusual if it were simply about campaign finance. they employ what s called a pen register, which is a device that will record the numbers of calls being made going out. those devices these days can typically also record the numbers of calls coming in. so in other words, they re not monitoring the actual conversation, but they are keeping track of who s calling in and who s calling and to what numbers the target is calling out. midwin, what s your take on all this? well, my take on this, if this reporting is accurate, that that was probably what formed the basis for the fbi to get this sort of no knock ability to go into cohen s offices and raid them. they probably were able to provide that information that they got from this monitoring to a judge in effect to convince the judge, look, based upon what we observed, michael cohen may
michael cohen s office, his apartment, his hotel? i mean, this is the president of the united states personal attorney. with the southern district of new york, go through such an extravaganza of embarrassment just for campaign finance violations? no, and i don t think the raid was premised on bolstering any campaign finance charge against cohen or anybody else. i think the southern district of new york is clearly investigating serious crimes, campaign finance violatioviolat the way, can be serious crimes, in connection, by the way, the one we re talking about, i think what rudy giuliani did yesterday was not only create a big mess, but he put his foot into the pot that suggests the campaign violation in question here may have been willful and therefore a felony. but in any case, i don t think i do think the role of the raid here was giuliani
didn t know about the payment until a week ago, quote, i don t think the president realized he paid cohen for that specific thing until we, his legal team, made him aware of the paperwork. i don t know, paperwork. talking about paying off a porn star you had an affair with. when trump was informed, giuliani said, the president responded, quote, oh, my goodness, i guess that s what that was for. oh, my goodness, wow, i haven t heard him say that or mercy me or golly. he also reiterated that trump paid cohen more than that amount that went to daniels, over 400 grand in total. although mr. giuliani didn t offer tdetails. a key question is whether the payment was designed to help the president win the election. giuliani seemed to suggest that was in his fox news interview. imagine if that came out, in the middle of, you know, the last debate with hillary clinton. so to make it go away cohen didn t even ask. cohen made it go away.