prigozhin s plane reportedly crashed. nbc news has not independently verified prigozhin was on this plane. earlier this summer, the wagner group, with prigozhin at the helm, staged an unsuccessful uprising against the russian government. joe, i still question, i mean, was he on that plane? i just knowing this man, having read about him, i guess that might be a question. well, i just julia ioffe, who knows a little bit about russia, the way russians think and the way russians act, i tweeted this line from her newsletter about this. she said, prigozhin, it seems, is dead. yeah. the, it seems, of course, does an awful lot there. yes, it does. i agree with you. i mean, you just never know.
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economically and politically, and that pressures on him within the country, particularly in the security apparatuses, start to exert an influence that makes him decide that either this is a horrible catastrophe and he has to get out of it or he is overthrown. that s it. david, let me push you a little bit here because you do know about russia, you know as much about russia as anybody. you know about russia history, and i guess what i m trying to say to our viewers is people are acting as if vladimir putin is a one off when, in fact, stalin, the man that he admired, killed 3 million to 4 million ukrainians back in the 1930s. this is absolutely true. russia has a long history. but on the other hand russia has a long history of behaving this way. this is how russians act. when people are looking at putin as a one off and saying, oh, we need to understand what is going
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