matthew chance. he s on the line. reporter: max, that s right. in the past few minutes, it has been confirmed, of course, by the russian defense ministry and foreign ministry of the kremlin as well that it was a russian war plane down. and they said they brought that aircraft down after violation of air space. what the russians are saying at this early stage is that is not the case. they are saying the plane did not violate turkish air space and stayed within syria. they say it was shot down from the ground. there s not much detail beyond that except the two pilots on board appeared to have parachuted to the ground. again, the condition of those