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those are things they re disclosing publicly for obvious reasons. they say they made it very clear to russian officials behind the scenes. i think the important part of this, john, is this is coming as thee so-called referendums are being conducted in rush ukraine orchestrated by russia. the white house is watching really closely. it is the four regions. the result are set to be announced tomorrow. the concern the white house has is not with results. they say that is predetermined. we know what they re going to say. people overwhelmingly voted to join russia which, of course, you know, these referendums are being carried out at gun point with armed escorts taking them house-to-house and watching people fill out the ballots. the white house says they will never recognize those results. but they re concerned that once they re public, russia then tries to an exthe regions and then try to make the argument that any kind of finding with ukrainian forces in the regions is an attack on russia

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