donetsk and hence, it is a simple mad and no hands, it is a simple message, stop selling the people in these regions. schelling. that these regions. schelling. that has been denied these regions. schelling. that has been denied by these regions. schelling. that has been denied by ukrainian forces. i know, of course. then;r has been denied by ukrainian forces. i know, of course. i know, of course. they say they have an open i know, of course. they say they have an open fire. i know, of course. they say they have an open fire. of i know, of course. they say they have an open fire. of course, i i i know, of course. they say they i have an open fire. of course, i know that, but have an open fire. of course, i know that. but we have an open fire. of course, i know that, but we have have an open fire. of course, i know that, but we have a have an open fire. of course, i know that, but we have a lot have an open fire. of course, i know that, but we have a lot o
from in luhansk and donitz, and this is of course territory currently controlled by the ukrainian government and donetsk. it will be interesting to see if he moves beyond the separatist regions, deeper into ukraine. that it is potential next move. we deeper into ukraine. that it is potential next move. we have been watchin: potential next move. we have been watching closely potential next move. we have been watching closely to potential next move. we have been watching closely to see potential next move. we have been watching closely to see if potential next move. we have been watching closely to see if in - potential next move. we have been watching closely to see if in line i watching closely to see if in line with the statement signed in russia, if he will move more russian forces, more heavy weaponry into donetsk and luhansk to move beyond the territory he controls now. what is your assessment of the military balance on the ground now in terms of what he could possibly a
thatis fight against this aggression, but that is it. but right now there is no military from russia in donetsk and luhansk. 50 no military from russia in donetsk and luhansk- no military from russia in donetsk and luhansk. ., ., , , , let s talk now to carl bildt, who was sweden s foreign minister at the start of the ukrainian crisis in 2013 and 2014. thanks forjoining us. i know this is a guessing game but you follow it closely. do you think it will stop here if only for a while with the recognition of those two rebel held republics? recognition of those two rebel held reublics? ., ., , , republics? that would be my hope. but when republics? that would be my hope. itut when i republics? that would be my hope. but when i listen, republics? that would be my hope. but when i listen, my republics? that would be my hope. but when i listen, my first - republics? that would be my hope. but when i listen, my first thought| but when i listen, my first thought it was a ridiculous puppet
the west learned the lessons out of this and what kind of lessons we have? americans and brits started to supply defensive weapons which did not happen in 2013. you are very tough on sanctions and you managed tough on sanctions and you managed to stay united. no fractions within the european union. you are on the same page with ukraine and on the same page with ukraine and on the same page with the entire western alliances. ., ., , ., ., alliances. how do you read the current situation? alliances. how do you read the current situation? the - alliances. how do you read the current situation? the big - alliances. how do you read the - current situation? the big question seems to be whether russian backed forces will go beyond the territory, the one third they control in donetsk and luhansk but do you think they will stop there? they will stop there? there is no russian backed they will stop there? there is no russian backed forces, - they will stop there? there is no russian backed
sanctions if he moves beyond where he is today and frankly, if he moves beyond those areas in luhansk and donetsk that have been supported by russia since 2014. the next move is on him. i think he is aware of the consequences, but we will see. this consequences, but we will see. as ou consequences, but we will see. as you know, there has even been comments based on the available intelligence that there could be a move on the capital, kyiv, where i am now, and i speakto ukrainians about that and they state that would be absolutely foolish for him to try to do, and yet we are still hearing thatis to do, and yet we are still hearing that is a possible option. do you believe it is? believe it is? look, he has the military capability believe it is? look, he has the military capability to believe it is? look, he has the military capability to do - believe it is? look, he has the military capability to do that l believe it is? look, he has the i military capability to do that but if any