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attacks rained down on several cities around ukraine today, as russia continues to pummel that country with aerial attacks following their humiliating retreat from kherson. the strikes once again targeted energy facilities in cities like kyiv and lviv, leaving much of the country of ukraine without power or water. civilian residential targets were also hit, including a high rise building in the capital city. that s according to local media. three people have died and several more were injured. this new round of attacks comes one day after russian air strikes hit a maternity ward in the southern part of the country near zaporizhzhia, killing a newborn baby. joining us, our friend igor novokov, former adviser to ukraine s president zelenskyy. i feel like you warned us as ukraine had more and more consistent and dramatic success on the battlefield, that it wouldn t matter to the civilian population, because putin s attacks would be so brutal.

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it was kind of supercharged in a way we haven t seen before. and rick, is fifa i know fifa has been criminally investigated before and they ve done exterm and internal audits, i mean, is it just beyond hope for repair and reform? it s a good question, and i wish i knew more about it, i mean, it s a private organization, and i would say the fact that there s been corruption there for a long time doesn t exonerate the fact that there was corruption recently. the other organization at the same time that had indictments involving fifa was russia bribing fifa officials at the same time they were bribing fifa officials along with qatar. but i ll make the larger point about the times that we live in. once upon a time, we engaged, western nations, engaged with countries in the middle east and elsewhere with the idea that what we consider universal values would affect the way those countries in the middle east behaved, and they would

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people and around women s rights. and i think this has been a thing that a lot of people have been wrestling with, is, like, how do you enjoy the most joyous event that human beings have yet to produce on this planet earth while at the same time, knowing that the underbelly, or even the overbelly is as rancid as it is. what s amazing is the brazenness, dave. they are there and banning and threatening to impact the outcome of the games if people exercise their support for lgbtq plus communities. i mean, did we know that would be the case? yeah, no, i mean, and this is a case of fifa actually backing down on promises to support these kinds of values. people might remember just earlier last week, johnny infantino, the head of fifa, with that cringe-inducing speech, where he said, i am a migrant worker, i am gay, i am a muslim, i mean, he didn t say

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but changes around the migrant labor policy in qatar because of all the attention put on the country. and that is always the hope. sunlight is the best disinfectant. so, perhaps highlighting these issues can, in fact, provoke change. but another outcome that i think is important, and this relates to something that was said before the break, is, you know, if we speak about qatar and bribery and fifa, i mean, look. show me a fifa bid that did not involve bribery in the last 100 years. and i ll find you an honest man in casablanca, as they said in ghost. this is a dirty business, and every country has gotten its hands dirty in it, because the profits are so incredible. but what comes out of it, in addition to an amazing global event, is debt displacement and the militarization of public space. so, what we re seeing in qatar is not that different, for example, than what i saw on the ground in brazil in 2014.

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kept it for 30 minutes. eventually, the security commander came and allowed me to go in and keep my shirt on and it went from there, they apologized, fifa apologized and, you know, left me wondering about what it s like for qataris who are here outside of world cups who are gay, because this was something that i had to deal with at an event that was being covered globally. that s the million dollar question, right? that was journalist grant wahl recounting his experience in qatar, where he was detained by authorities for wearing a rainbow shirt to a world cup match. we re back with dave and rick. dave, what is the best bad outcome of these games? because, i mean, to his point, the world is watching and this is how qatar is acting. i mean, the best bad outcome is a couple of things. i mean, first and foremost, you ve seen some changes. some argue they are cosmetics.

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