of guilt, jumping off the screen at these hearings and what the department of justice is doing about it. and how donald trump and his mom dusted off a pre-existing american script to try to pull off their insurrection when all in starts right now. good evening from new york, i m chris hayes. it did not seem like there could possibly be any secrets left, that there could be possibly be new have literally shocking details about the ex presidents plot to and american democracy. and yet, oh my, there is. yesterday s historic testimony from cassidy hutchison, and advisor, to chief of staff mark meadows, forced everyone to update their basic understanding of what it was we saw in the period leading up to and during the insurrection on january 6th, both for donald trump and the people who supported his attempts to end the peaceful transfer of power. the old model of our understanding of what happened on january 6th is basically as follows. the ex president told a bunch of lies abo
the old model of our understanding of what happened on january 6th is basically as follows. the ex president told a bunch of lies about voter fraud and he refused to accept he lost, whether he believed it or not is unclear, he nurture those lies in this impetuous frenzy, rage filled, haphazard way. he threw everything against the wall to see what would stick in and out of court in a desperate attempt to cling to power, which culminated in this inciting speech on january 6th to a mob he riled up and then sent to the capitol and there, hopped up on trump s incitement and lies and reckless disregard for both safety and american democracy, the mob broke into the capitol, ransacked it, threatening the lives of members and calling to hang mike pence. and while they did, trump sat and watched and refused to lift a finger to stop them, as things got more and more out of hand and more and more violent. that was our almost immediate understanding of what happened that today. and based
Both sides and the president s side, the Special Counsel side had a facetoface meeting last week. A rare facetoface meeting after weeks of informal discussions and were told by a source familiar myself, my colleague that Robert Muellers Team Provided more granularity on the topics they would like to discuss with the president in a possible interview under the umbrella of the firing of james comey as well as the firing of the former National Security adviser Michael Flynn. The specifics include the Attorney General Jeff Sessions role in the firing of james comey as well as what the president knew about his National Security adviser Michael Flynn and his conversation he had had with former Russian Ambassador Sergei Kizlyback about the actions. There is possible collusion, possible Obstruction Of Justice and what the president knew. Im told by a source familiar that legal team has taking the
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no. i have great confidence in cassidy hutchinson as a very, very credible, reliable witness. she told us what she knew. she told us the extent of what she knew, she told us when she did not know things. i spent almost six years as a prosecutor. i don t with a lot of witnesses. and sometimes you can tell the most about their credibility by what they tell you they can t tell you. that, is what they don t know. all you can ask from them is to tell you the truth, to tell you when they were a firsthand observer and when they got something secondhand. and she did all that. and some of these attacks on her, someone anonymous, sleazy rumor campaigns, all the rest of that, are by people that don t have the same courage she does, that don t have the same respect for their oath of office the idea that mark meadows, for example, would dispute anything that she has to say in hiding from the committee, unwilling
do you have concerns about the veracity of what we heard yesterday? no. i have great confidence in cassidy hutchinson as a very, very credible, reliable witness. she told us what she knew. she told us the extent of what she knew, she told us when she did not know things. i spent almost six years as a prosecutor. i don t with a lot of witnesses. and sometimes you can tell the most about their credibility by what they tell you they can t tell you. that, is what they don t know. all you can ask from them is to tell you the truth, to tell you when they were a firsthand observer and when they got something secondhand. and she did all that. and some of these attacks on her, someone anonymous, sleazy rumor campaigns, all the rest of that, are by people that don t have the same courage she does, that don t have the same respect for their oath of office the idea that mark meadows, for example, would dispute anything that she has to say in hiding from the committee, unwilling