negotiate his own business deal with this prosecutor. the various drafts of a proposed deal would have this prosecutor pay rudy giuliani several $100,000 to help this prosecutor with kind of an asset recovery mission he wanted to conduct. he believed that ukrainian assets had been stolen. and he wanted rudy giuliani s help with the u.s. justice department. getting the u.s. justice department to help him out. so they negotiated back and forth. while talking about the biden investigations. ultimately, they never actually execute a contract and rudy isn t paid. but this kind of deepens questions for him, you know. would he have been working for a foreign government at the same time he s working for the president of the united states? that would be a weird conflict. definitely, unethical for a government employee and it raises some questions about rudy kind of doing this shadow diplomacy and what the ethics of that are. who would who is trying to influence who in this scenario?
it isn t. i never said there was no collusion between the campaign. yes, you did. i said the president of the united states. there is not a single bit of evidence the president of the united states committed the only crime you would commit here, conspired with the russians to hack the dnc. joining us to talk about all of it, national political reporter for the washington post, jill coleman and chuck rosenberg. robert, let s start with you. you covered donald trump for a long time. you have covered rudy giuliani for a long time. i have this little soft spot for rudy. when i see the reaction shots from chris cuomo and when you see the chris hannity, you couldn t make it up for snl. what is rudy doing? so understand the president s relationship with his lawyer, you have to see them as generational peers. the president is already isolated, doesn t have a lot of
rudy giuliani was added to the team. i wonder from your perspective if rudy isn t perhaps creating some questions about the president s contact by saying, our answers to robert mueller include that donald trump was working on the deal from the day he announced until the day he won. yeah. it is not helping from a pr perspective. it is not helping from a legal perspective. it is hard to fathom what perspective it is helping from. you asked these intelligence thoughtful questions, so i m really searching for some unified field theory of physics here to explain what the heck he is talking about. when i was a baby prosecutor and some experienced defense
people he trusts around him, and he sees giuliani, former new york mayor as someone who played at his level in the big apple for quite some time. now that he s part of the team, it is really not so much of a team. it is the president km communicating with his generational peer, trying to manage his legal case are robert mueller, with the media. and giuliani is the only person speaking with the president about those sensitive issues in that way. chuck, that seems to put the blame right in the guy in the office with no corners because this does not from the pr standpoint, this is not helping. no more people think donald trump is innocent than before rudy giuliani was added to the team. i wonder from your perspective if rudy isn t perhaps creating some questions about the president s contact by saying, our answers to robert mueller include that donald trump was working on the deal from the day he announced until the day he
it is not campaign money, no campaign finance lie violation. so they funneled it through a law firm. funneled it through a law firm and the president repaid it. oh, i don t know he did. i m not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me he should testify because he s going to tell the truth, that s so silly because it is somebody s version of the truth. truth is truth. i don t mean to go like no, it isn t. i never said there was no collusion between the campaign. yes, you did. i said the president of the united states. there is not a single bit of evidence the president of the united states committed the only crime you would commit here, conspired with the russians to hack the dnc. joining us to talk about all of it, national political reporter for the washington post, jill coleman and chuck rosenberg. robert, let s start with you. you covered donald trump for a long time. you have covered rudy giuliani for a