legislation. i think all privileges will fail and why prince will find himself inside the grand jury. it was great talking about the stuff. by the way, msnbc films presents the second episode of one truth is not true, the rudy giuliani story, a four part series which is tonight. it s streaming on peacock as well. all right, coming up, a federal program distended which provided some relief to low income households. we re talking to those most affected. plus, in his new special, chris rock finally you think i will addition for that are? for that are?
that was a clip from episode two of the docuseries, when truth isn t truth, the rudy giuliani story. let s bring in charlie perkins who is rudy giuliani s press secretary during the 1989 mayoral campaign and an adviser to his 1993 campaign. charlie, i think a lot of people are going to watch this, obviously through the lens of understanding how the rudy giuliani of the 80s and the 90s became the rudy giuliani that was here today. i am sure that it is a question that you get asked a lot. how do you connect those dots? i don t always know, to be honest. i should say everyone who worked for him, gave him money, supported him, i don t think any of us understand, or know the answer to that question. there were some signs that he was willing to do anything it took to be elected. and i will give you one example. on a few locations, more than one, he spoke onstage with
reconcile that with his image. and i of course, we saw him in 9/11, what happened to that person? i think at the end of the day, we have got to realize that this is quite sad. this is a man who transform the city and its first term, with all of his flaws, and he was a hero on 9/11. and now he is known for this steal the vote paranoia that has driven us over the past year, or two years. charlie perkins, thank you so much for taking the time to be with us. you can see episode two of when truth isn t truth for the rudy giuliani story, that is right here on msnbc. i want to bring back an msnbc legal analyst, lisa reuben. last week, the top staff investigator for the house january 6th committee told the new york times, i need a good look at giuliani and mark meadows. i think the justice department has to look very closely at
should all be paying attention to, and i m glad that you are bringing it up i hope is that you continue to have this conversation because you need to continue sounding that alarm. to continue to stop spotlight that race in wisconsin. former congresswoman debbie and we were teresa kumar, thank you for joining us. we appreciate your insights tonight. up next, a preview of the newest episode of when truth is and truth, the rudy giuliani story. stay with us. stay with us less sick days! cold coming on? zicam is the number one cold shortening brand! highly recommend it! zifans love zicam s unique zinc formula. it shortens colds! zicam. zinc that cold! age is just a number, and mine s unlisted. try boost® high protein with 20 grams of protein for muscle health versus 16 grams in ensure® high protein. boost® high protein. now available in cinnabon® bakery-inspired flavor. learn more at boost.com/tv any questions, chris? all good, thanks maura! there you go, one new inhaler! nice did