really thinking about the needs of the kids. we re looking at issues of liability for the cities, for the manufacture you ares of the equipment and so on. jon: rubber padding and jungle gyms not higher than four, five, six feet, that kind of thing? that sort of thing. look, it s good stuff. it does help the kids with seeing injury rates starting to fall. but on the flip side of that, what we re also seeing, kids are not learning the developmental skills that they need to be able to mature through. quite often when they re not facing any risk whatsoever, then later on in life they become fearful of anything that becomes a challenge. so, we have to try to find that balance somewhere along the line of having safety for kids but still getting them the thrills that they need and there will be a little risk to that and, that s part of life anyway. jon: a skinned knee and maybe even a broken arm or something is part of childhood? god forbid, that is part
jon: all right. in these dog days of summer a lot of kids are doing what they do best, playing around. a lot of parents don t want their parents getting hurt, i m sorry, don t want their children getting hurt there is a new report out suggesting we might be making playgrounds to save because all the safety equipment prevents children from learning some of the hard knocks of life. with us now, psychologist, dr. jeffrey gardere. what do you think about that? well, jon, what we re seeing now a lot of playgrounds are what we call safety first playgrounds. jon: right. so when you put safety first, it tell me we re not really thinking about the needs of the kids. we re looking at issues of liability for the cities, for the manufacture you ares of the equipment and so on. jon: rubber padding and jungle gyms not higher than four, five, six feet, that kind of thing? that sort of thing.