yale debating society, but on television no, i mean this in this way. i watched as kay bailey hutchison got caught in legislative ease. he s very disarming in using, taking advantage. i noticed he could turn the twang up a bit to disarm and brush off a criticism, be deflective and say maybe you just don t understand how we are here in texas. maybe you don t understand yeah. stop it. it s important, mika. no. no. you have to say i understand you have a problem with us that want to succeed from the union. crank it up. that guy was a good looking rascal. i did what i had to do. it works. whether you are in the panhandle of texas
itself irrelevant every four years. because the press pays attention to it, it s relevant as a news event and a sorting out filter for candidates like me. take a step forward or a step out. is it ultimately going to determine the iowa caucuses? no. is it a step that gets you momentum, yes. i would be tough on rick perry. i like him personally, from the one time we met him and chew ee tobacco, shot a coyote. as bill clinton said, a good looking rascal. is this good looking rascal the type of guy that can win an election in minnesota? if you look at the state that is are going to decide the election, you jump all over the national polls, you know in the end, the election is going to be
it was a different time. it wauz different era. the only way it works, michael, you have to have somebody who has celebrity or a boat load of money. if you are not a celebrity or ga zillion air, it s not going work. it s too difficult for a true grass roots candidate. you have to write a big check. it s a sad statement about how it works, but it s how it works. was it frustrating to hear the central critique of you was never about policy? i don t know, seems like a nice guy, but boring. too dull. that was the narrative we kept hearing over and over again. you are out there making speeches about the economy and they come out and say he seems like a nice guy, but i don t think he s got it. we put a lot of time and
i usually come from that school the american people over time. over time, they know what they are doing. yet in 2008, we picked a guy whose campaign platform was hope and change and is, i think it s safe to say this three years in has proven not to have the experience to face the challenges we are faces now and is ill equipped to be president of the united states. the culture, the political culture we live in is drawn to the entertainment. i have to say, i m not saying this as a republican. i m saying democrats, a national process would have had the democratic party nominate hillary clinton. extraordinary experience. or a joe biden or a chris dodd. it proves my earlier point, joe. setting aside the name barack obama or the partisan lens through which we view him, if
if you are bachmann, you have to go after perry. he s made your candidacy irrelevant. you do. does rick perry punch down? i m curious to see how rick perry handles this. you would expect his first debate, all the advisers telling him you have to be a statesman. you have been dealing with this wildfire situation in texas. don t take the bait. don t take the bait. on the other hand, he doesn t seem like a shy guy. he starts in at romney and bachmann are going to come in and hit perry. it s what i suspect, perry is the guy that s getting hit from a bunch of folks. is he a good debater? how does perry do in debates? reporter: we have seen a few of them. i watched the kay bailey hutchison debates closely. you wouldn t give him victories by points if you were at the