don t do either of those things well. that s a segment for another time. jenna: that s true. the point is this, as parents we have to find better ways to study to raise our children. to find a way to get through to them, an intelligent way that you re role modeling ways to find intelligent resolutions. jenna: you re at your wit s end and done everything, you think, what s the next snep. the next step is a child in therapy, and think about it, it s not just because i have to buy my kid a new pair of shoes. it s not about me. the bottom line is a child that will steal from her mother, eight, nine, ten times, tell me, this is a child who has a behavior issue, there s something deeper going on with that child as far as their psychology. that child needs attention. so shaming them, if it doesn t work, it s even more proof that you have to try to find another way to solve that problem. jenna: i m sure anyone that wants to call dr. gardere for free, he ll take that call! doctor, will th