that s been undone helpfully so by president biden. he s been able to bring back america as a rogue leader and we can t afford to lose that in two years. except all of this being valid, kurt, donald trump still has sway over, what you want to call them? the chaos republicans, that 30% who don t think he s done anything wrong, really like what he s gotten to say, and he s not given that to anyone. while it does not prevent anyone from running against him, donald trump still remains a remarkable force for bad in this country. i think you just look at the effect that he had and the primary process in the last midterm cycle, where even though they all lost in the general election, so many other candidates that he got behind wonder primaries, and that really outlines the overall problem that the republican party has, that with or without
how much of this do you think has an impact on the folks who are discerning? i think it has a big impact on him, but mostly on him. as you point out, he s not dropped a frivolous lawsuit against attorney general letitia james, as a result of having real consequences for a formal lawsuit against hillary clinton. the list of his civil lawsuits takes about a full page in my notebook. the potential criminal cases against him are numerous but not quite as long as the actual, already existing civil cases, but they have very serious consequences. of course, the most consequential will be anything that has to do with the insurrection, which would prevent him from running for office again, which i think many people, including me think is the most important outcome, to make sure that he doesn t darkened the door of the white house again and bring this country down with him. i think that people, starting in his own party, are starting to see that he is not the leader. they are starting to see t
good to be with you, i m katy tur. the new york times is reporting rudy giuliani is the target of a criminal investigation, the criminal into attempts to overturn the 2020 election in georgia. we re going to have much more on this breaking story in a moment. first, we are living in a scary time. over the weekend both the fbi and the department of homeland security issued a joint intelligence bulletin according to two senior law enforcement officers who spoke with nbc news. often these sorts of warnings are about threats from abroad. this time they re warning about a threat from within and it s not just from some specific extremist group operating on the fringe of society with a rogue leader but from a broad swath of americans who believe they re acting in the interests of a
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