mueller will look at is if there was some kind of quid pro quo. some kind of listen, if you do something for me on trump tower moscow, i ll do something for you on sanctions, for example, if i get elected president of the united states. speaking of collusion, giuliani s argument now is that even if collusion happened as it pertained to wikileaks, it wasn t a crime. here he is on roger stones and wikileaks. did roger stone ever give the president a heads-up on wikileaks leaks. no, he didn t. not at all. i don t believe so. but again, if roger stone gave anybody a heads-up about wikileaks leaks, that not a crime. it would be like giving them a heads up that the times is going to print something. once the that s why this thing is so weird, strange. the crime is conspiracy to hack. collusion is not a crime. doesn t exist. all right. so question to you, elie. is giuliani on sound legal
ground? if you were a prosecutor in the case and you heard a defense attorney with this argument, what would you think? rudy kind of answered his own question there. he says in one breath, collusion is not a crime. no kidding, it s a word that rudy and the president kind of made up. but in the very next sentence, he says the crime would be conspiracy to commit computer hacking. yes, if the proof bears out that the president or roger stone or people around them were involved in the effort to hack and then to disseminate the e-mail through wikileaks, that would be conspiracy. they would be part of a computer hacking skeenl, and there s an even broader theory of conspiracy that muller has been using that federal courts have upheld, which is if you re in a broad conspiracy to undermine the function of the united states government. mueller has charged that. it s been challenged and federal judges have upheld it. rudy isn t making a lot of sensible legal headway there. kim, rudy was also
trish: and we re back with professor alan dershowitz and i wanted to ask you about this associate of roger stone s, jerome corsey, now getting in the thick of it with mueller. where does this go? what do you think mueller has on him if anything? i don t think it goes anywhere. corsey is a conspiracy theorist. you can t use him as a witness. he would be devastated on the witness stand. maybe he can give you a document here or there or some information that you can then get you to lead to another witness but corsey himself can t be used as a witness even if he s corroborated, i don t think that manafort can be used as a witness. they re too tainted. these are admitted liars. trish: what is it they are trying to prove out here that somehow manafort knew in advance maybe about
welcome back. paul manafort has countless connections that mueller can probe. for instance he can ask about the infamous trump tower meeting with a russian lawyer who said she had dirt on hillary clinton, why? because manafort was in the room when it happened. and then there s derapaska. there s constantine klimnik who s a long time russian agent. and then there s the mysterious gutting of a platform. and of course there s manafort s first partner in politics, roger stones, who appears to have talked to wikileaks about leaked emails. congressman schiff, welcome back to meet the press.
collusion from the start and particular the the most pernicious would have been involvement in the trump people of hacking hillary and podesta s emails and that s what this was all about. bret: a team subpoenaed the social media director for roger stone today, and we also have the release of some senate documents. it put it in perspective for us. the senate documents really confirmed what the intelligence community said it which was that russia meddled in the election to help donald trump. now that s different from the haas, cow s assessment, the house assessment of course the president was cheering on. bret: senator lankford try to strengthen stomach straighten that out about the difference in the committees. but go ahead. i think the bigger point is that the mueller investigation continues, the president is hanging over his administration certainly and has expressed frustrations with that. i m interested to see how the