we re going to close it down. what did you accomplish? and then to have the nation held hostage this way and to threaten, the, not going forward to meet our obligations in the next week? that s terrible. martha: you know, what i m hearing there is, almost is no politics anymore in terms of what used to happen back in 95 and 96 where both sides, you know, there was more come rod dry. they would get together. they wanted to govern essentially. they weren t perfect. nobody is perfect but at least, the wheels of the machine were moving. we could talk together. i could talk to senator biden. we came from different perspectives. martha: where is he in this whole picture do you think? i think he is probably urging behind the scenes that there be a compromise, that we see to it that the debt limit is one that we take care of. martha: the word was that senator harry reid in one report did not want the vice president