with telling the public one thing when that s not actually the case. even his own lawyer, rudy giuliani said that donald trump, yeah, he lies. listen. but you believe the president is telling the truth. if you believe that, if you have that conviction, your his attorney, why don t you say go in, talk to robert mutual ergs tell the truth? because i wouldn t be an attorney if i did that. i would be living in an unreal fantasy world that everybody tells the truth. unreal fantasy world, everybody tells the truth. you look at tri gowdy, who said if you are innocent act like it. that being said, i mean, lawyers will tell you to be very careful how you answer questions. not to be really all that candid but not lie, not to lie to people, not to lie to investigators. no attorney would tell you that that s horrible attorney advice. we are not trying to be moralists here. i m not a moral prude. whatever that is, right? but part of what we re saying is