schiavo is now an aviation attorney who represents families suing airlines in crashes and disasters and rob mccullum is a cnn analyst and vice president at williamson and associates and captain van gurley is a senior manager at metron solutions. we ve had five days since the last confirmed ping. rob, at this point does this simply cement the point that the batteries are likely dead and it s time to think about other assets in which to introduce to this area? yes, i think so. i mean, the manufacturer is being very clear about the battery life and, you know, every good effort is being expanded and it s now looking like the batteries are fading and it s time to start mowing
around those pinger locations because that s the only other bit of evidence that we ve got. once we do that, then we ll move into the next phase, which is to work out whether there is something nearby the pingers, whether it s verified or whether we need to go to a much wider area around the pingers. rob, van, bob, mary, thank you. appreciate that. next, we speak to a man who shares his perspective on the search. hear why james cameron says the ocean depth is not the only problem. gunderman group. gunderman group is growing. getting in a groove. growth is gratifying. goal is to grow. gotta get greater growth. growth? growth. i just talked to ups. they ve got a lot of great ideas. like smart pick ups. they ll only show up when you print a label and it s automatic. we save time and money. time? money?
up the chain of command. top officials make the announcements that we always hear and the techs simply go back to work with us still not knowing their names. fredricka? brian todd, thank you so much. seeing how ard due wous this work is, how much longer can they keep up the intensity? let s bring back our panel. rob, mary, van, how do you keep the searchers motivated and encouraging and fresh? i wonder, captain gurley, how do you keep them motivated? well, these are professionals and this is the kind of job they love to be able to solve for us all. i was on submarines using technology and you rotate folks through. every couple of half hour or so that you don t have somebody sort of zone out on the stack. you ve got to stay fresh and alert because you never know when those signals will pop into
complacency would be a long way from where we are now. and rob, when it comes down to reviewing a lot of the data that has been collected or even data that continues to change, whether it be the current data that they are seeing in the ocean, at what point will some third parties perhaps be involved in maybe all of this can t be done on the ships that are right there but maybe you have to second check this a second time or a third time with some other assets that are involved or perhaps even on land. at what stage and at what point will that happen? well, for the actual search itself, you see the continuation of the aerial search for just the smallest trace of debris. you know, that s a very good first step because that brings physical, tangible evidence that we re in the right place. but the only other thing that we can do now is to go down and to start scanning the sea floor
this data. and rob mccullum is here, and miles o brien listening, and miles, you are a tech the guru yourself, and what do you make of what laurie and ted rowlands is reporting here? well, i am struck by the fact that there are more data in the phones potentially at the bottom of the ocean than the airplane, itself. and we are all used to the notion of being able to track down our phones electronically, and we assume that anybody can find us now, and the fact that this 777 has vanished, and it is a strange contradiction in all of it that needs to be addressed. and when the aviation says they will get around it to, we have to hold the regulatory agencies accountable. it never should have happened an frankly after 9/11 this should have happened, but certainly after air france 447 in 2009, and somebody should have said that we need better capability for tracking the airplanes, themselves, that would be equivalent to the cell phones