this, and for to you sit here and try to argue against that means that you re going against everything that you ve ever been trained to know. neither you nor i would ever allow ourselves to be put in that position and to say that this 39-year-old man is an amateur. he had the former director of defense intelligence agency on his staff as an adviser. so for the most part, i think making that argument is specious, doesn t take the seriousness of this situation into account and discredits and disgraces our intelligence agencies by trying to make this entire operation which now all of our community, your community, my community have determined was a spy operation. we should take it seriously and find out where it all came from. let s also get you to respond to the fact, fred, that you now, we now know that trump s adviser and long time friend roger stone appears to have had contact with email exchanges with this person calling themselves guccifer as well as julian assange of
client in front of donald trump jr. that s what happened here. all this other stuff is fantasy. let me ask you a question. it s not fantasy because the meeting took place. in your view, if this person said to donald trump jr., i ve got this information from the russian government, what would be the motivation of donald trump jr. to say yes, and take the meeting? because donald trump jr. knows this guy is a flake, because he realizes he s exaggerating to get the meeting but he s a friend. he probably said well, look, there s no russian effort to help my father, but look, i ll meet with this guy because he s a friend. there s simply nothing there to connect this as a russian intelligence operation. then would wha would be the reason for jared kushner to turn around and meet with the banker, the russian banker at the end and to say we want closed communications that are out of the earshot of russian intelligence. what is your explanation for that? the russian banker? in december
impeachment? actually, let me start by saying that mr. kushner is the de facto secretary of state. he is a pseudo minister. he seems to have an inordinate amount of influence and a person with such influence has to be judged by the influence that he has. he should not be in the position he s in, and quite frankly, he should have his security clearance suspended or revoked. i agree with what speaker pelosi said. my articles of impeachment are going to deal with obstruction of justice, and they deal with obstruction of justice in the political sense. because quite candidly speaking, many of the scholars that have been on programs have confused people, i don t think it was done with intention, but they have confused people because they ve used the legal standard for impeachment and if you will go to federalist 65 you will find that the standard for impeachment has more to do with
right? i got the left colluding to well nothing came of the meeting. nothing happened from the meeting, zero happened from the meeting and honestly i think the press made a very big deal over something that really a lot of people would do. to even well what s wrong with a little help from russia? hostile foreign power, do we say you can take information from non-hostile? joining me paul butler professor of georgetown law school and sima aier, former civil rights attorney. our previous guest his argument was if the person presenting you with foreign help for your campaign is ridiculous, if there are ridiculous pictures of them, if they are ridiculous it is somehow okay to take information from them even if they re presenting it. i do not understand what his argument was. do you think we have any legal issues in hand?
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