jeremy, i guess tom nichols put in play the question of psyops, the human level of vladimir putin here. we talk about bombs and bullets and we talk about the maps. it is like a risk board. we talk about the sanctions. we talk about all of this stuff in a very abstract way. in truth there is a guy who is doing all of this stuff. and one of the questions that people at the cia and people in the national security and in intelligence in america do, they think about the psychology of these people. we have the debates. is this a ashl actor in their own terms. as you confronted at this time questions or time what do you think vladimir putin thinks the end game is here? realistic scenario planning way. what do you think he is pursuing
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