high at 2.3 trillion, 96% of gdp. we are paying 70 billion in interest. the public finances are in a terrible state, but the treasury is doing what it can to help. it has increased the national living wage, universal credit relief, we have all had the council tax rebate of £150. i have, it came into my account in april. the tv licence fee frozen, cold weather payments and winter fuel payments. the treasury is doing a lot. people don t seem to like to talk about that. a lot. people don t seem to like to talk about that. a lot. people don t seem to like to talk about that. shyama, no escaping the aers talk about that. shyama, no escaping the papers tomorrow talk about that. shyama, no escaping the papers tomorrow for talk about that. shyama, no escaping the papers tomorrow for rishi - talk about that. shyama, no escaping the papers tomorrow for rishi sunakl the papers tomorrow for rishi sunak because of return to the sunday times, their line is new pressure on rishi sunak as one i