said this is the first presidential primary. we hope it s the last. foreigne foreigners must be laughing at us. there is a problem with the way it s set up. it s democratic to have more people vote. but how are we judging the candidates in these primaries, how they do in a debate, who squings who. that s nuts, they re not going to be doing that when they re president. how much money have they raised. we should be looking at what kind of leaders they ve been in the past. they ve all come from somewhere. we don t need a magazine article. we should be talking constantly what kind of team do they have around them. do they share credit, shoulder blame, do they have humility, do they have resilience, are they accessible, what is their ambition like? we should know these things. that s what we should be asking them in the debates. have you failed. one question was asked, but i would love to see those leadership things as an index for judging them. rick, let me ask you about
extraordinary is an overused word in the modern vernacular, but i don t think it s hyperbole to say we are living in extraordinary times in the united states and i often wonder how historians 20 or 30 or 50 years from now will view this moment. that s unknowable for now, but what is knowable is how historians are looking at it. i have doris concerns goodwin. her latest book is leadership in turbulent times . she has a master class available in history and leadership. rick perilstein is a historian of the conservative movement and a chronic cool of the presidency and res ignition of richard nixon. and we have the billionaire businessman, the co-founder of the carlisle group but one of his great passions is american history and he s just published
president decided to flaplay them up. nixon invented the cult of the pow/mia in order to justify it. he goes on to call the flag racist and that it should be treated with the same hostility as the confederate flag. he doesn t say exactly why. critics counter by saying it s a flag of remembrance and that rick perilstein doesn t remember the war the way he wants them to. pete hegseth said this about the flag. it s a reminder to me every day of what the men and women have done for us. that s what the flag is. i want people to look at the flag and say what is this about? my kid will ask me someday and i ll tell them. others believe the flag is a symbol of pows and mias from all wars not just vietnam. he goes on to argue the flag hurt relations with vietnam