meaning everybody s premiums go up and the system gets turned over. that s the problem with graham-cassidy. harris: if that s the case, why were democrats against the risk pools? i hear you using almost the same terminology. guy? well, i would just respond first of all, hospital and er visits went up under obamacare. we were told they d go down. the opposite was true. it s been another dishonest or inaccurate sales job of obamacare. where do you get the 70 million number? the number on the exchanges is way lower than anyone had anticipated in the obama administration. it s at 10 million. thaepb you have medicade expansion. that does not add up to 70 million. medicade expansion plus the exchange plus the individuals that coverage through whatever state coverage they got. states expanded medicare some how, some way. the reason chris christie is against graham-cassidy it s not 70 million. the reason chris christie is against graham-cassidy, not only does his state lose $4 bi
expansion now new jersey lawmakers have to figure out what they re going to do. either they ll strip them of healthcare coverage. two, they re going to raise taxes. or three, they re going to have to find a way to keep them on healthcares, which means governors will be stuck with the bill that washington cannot fix. harris: guy, i want to give you the last word on the simple fact. there s a bipartisan movement among at least ten governors across the country to get this killed. does it get done? oh boy. it s awfully close, as we saw earlier in that report. if rand paul decides to side with chuck shumer and be an obamacare savior, that means republicans can only lose one more vote. susan collins sounds like she s just about a no yet ag ain.