comegys a creature of habit but even when she has vacation she goes to work because that is what she knows, and a person like that suddenly thrust into the big world, she left before internet, before the cell phones, keyless entry to cars. i m sure what are we giving to people like that? guest: absolutely. the good news about pops, a person like pops is that she did have ties to the outside world. she had strong ties to the outside world in terms of her family. so there was a clear path we home for her and a ferocious work ethic. host: her husband was imprisoned a. guest: her husband was in prison. host: [inaudible] guest: yes, definitely. and full there. that is the other thing that i m sure is really true in all prisons is that mental acuity or mental illness makes a massive difference in how folks are sentenced and returning home. pop s didn t have any of those challenges. .. she had far more tied to the outside world. she was even more committed to the life, a