On trump. Im howard kurtz and this is mediabuzz. The debate will be hosted by bret baier and Martha Maccallum. I spoke to the anchor of the story from new york. Martha maccallum, welcome. Hi, howie, good to be with you. Howie i havent seen a build up like this for a first debate at the beginning of a campaign since that 2015 Fox Debate With Political Newcomer donald trump. I turned to the other channels i see fox debate. What are people saying . Why do you think that is . I think theres a lot of enthusiasm. I think people are much more politically engaged and probably since that 2015 debate and i think that people see this as , you know, entertainment that is very eye opening in terms of whats going on in the political world, so i think its a huge opportunity for these candidates on this stage and we see it acrosstheboard that people are just more interested in politics they are more interested in whats going on, so i think its great. Howie people didnt talk about politics or talk abou
enterprise. howie: joining us now to analyze the coverage in new york , rich lawry and in washington marie har, former state department spokeswoman and fox news contributor. rich the media is been in wall to wall mode since fani willis delivered these indictments and this is the case where trump tells gathering gary cohen secretary of state i need you to find 11, 780 votes. is this indictment having a big impact? it s bigger than some of the others. it s hard to keep track now, howard. howie: that s key and we do this for a living. we do this for a living. yeah, so it gives trump a short-term fundraising balance but we ve learned recently, you know, his funding has basically been drained by all the legal fees involved and the prosecutions and it gives him the attention of the candidates they all have to talk about trump that s all that matters and creates a sympathy effect among republicans and republicans think it s intuitive ly correct when trump was saying they could indict for
quarter that we now have, each time, he raises a little less. so it s like every time there s another indictment, i think up until this latest round, which comes to 91 indictments, right, howie? we wouldn t hire someone to work with us, i m not sure why republican primary voters some want to make him president but every time we see this , his support wanes a little bit so i totally agree with martha. i don t think this story is over yet. we re in totally unprecedented times and i don t think we can assume when he gets in court, all of this evidence against him during the primaries that that will not mean that someone else won t rise to the top. i think the story is far from over. howie: well the voters will get their say. rich, through multiple indictments lose their impact and shock value. the first time the former president of the united states never happen when they reported for the fourth time. yup, yeah, just personally, i watched the first arraignment. i watched the motorcade h
this memo. i think that was a strategic mistake. it makes him look silly in many respects because he won t take on the elephant in the room. look if he s going to be the nominee he has to take on donald trump. this weird attempt to hug him and defend him when he doesn t even show up to the debate and to try and get down in the mud with a candidate most americans don t even know, although he s rising in the polls a little bit , i don t think ron desantis has a strategy. i don t think he has any clue what he s doing here politically , and rich is right. i can not think of one good cycle, media cycle, he has had since he announced. he just can t figure out if he should go against trump, sort of go against him, he doesn t know what he s doing here. howie: i will concede that desantis has had a lot of problems, but the media have really pounded this guy every single day. no matter what happens, he gets a negative story. it really, they have it in for
to make his points. he owns twitter. doesn t just own the space. he actually does own the company and trying to get it into a profit maker. do you agree with rich lawry s piece here today, mark? yes, i think it s a little different. trump basically went out and talked about the fake news media and lashed against social media. elon musk spent $44 billion to high twitter and lifted the hood up and shows us what going on inside. maybe one of the most patriotic things that anybody has ever done, spend that much money and show us the inside of how this shadow banning happened. how this suppression of the hunter biden laptop story happened. how they talked to each other about what they were doing and why they did it. it s qualitatively different in