the donbas region. if they succeed in that, what are some of the potential consequences that you see? so i think the one of the biggest things will be an economic consequence. obviously ukraine has huge economic difficulties that have been piled upon it by the invasion itself but if the russians take the donbas, it s going to be about a third to a quarter to a third of the entire country in terms of geographic area. it s also an area that s rich in industry, rich in transportation areas and it s, of course, ethnically russian. but what s interesting about what has happened here is i think the ethnic russian population has basically turned on russia because of the destruction that russia has wrought on that area and they re pro-ukrainian based on what we ve seen right now. they want to stay in ukraine. they don t want to go home to