more along the lines of a reven revenge-type thing. for what, though? that s what i m asking. for being an american. for all the things that americans have done in their country. for all the things that, you know, were done to guys in guantanamo and bagram and all that. you know, the waterboarding, the dogs, the isolation chambers, you know, the food deprivation, the sleep deprivation, all those things. that was the list of things that they always talked about. this is brad.
person may go to one business and they re killing the boss and the assistant boss and the co-worker who they think wronged them. and it s kind of a revenge type thing. so it s hard to tell if it s more widely scattered victims in a mall. the problem with a mall, it s first seen by all of us as a just a giant public place. and but there are unique businesses, of course, in there. but it s a giant public place. and a lot of times, the shooter is mentally ill, bent on revenge or terrorism and he wants to go to a giant public place. yeah, make a spectacle. jim, i know that you re going to make your way to a camera, so we re going to gather more information and all the details as you do so. i know we ll see you a bit later on in the hour. but jim cavanaugh, former atf agent, thank you much for joining me at this point in our coverage of this breaking development. we ll be back with more as soon as we get it. meantime, for you concerned about the weather out there, let s get to the c