the retail association leaders and our members have long been for mandates. we have centre ward programs for our employees throughout this year. what our main concern is to have enough time past the holiday season to be successful in the implementation of this policy. we are concerned that some of these requirements like vaccinations are going to create a talent strain, potentially creating resignations, and again, that s a risk we are worried about taking during the holiday season where, again, it s the most crucial season for retail and we are already trying to fulfill a high consumer demand, which we know we will, but this is just an added obstacle for us during the season. evan armstrong, thank you so much for being with us, retail industry leaders association. thank you for your perspective. let s gate different perspective now. david michael served as assistant secretary of labor for