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Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20211215 01:36:00

that means e-mail correspondences, text messages, and the like. that was today. tomorrow jennifer lynn lawrence appears before the same committee. hunter walker interviewed that couple. he s been covering the investigation into connections between rally organizers and government officials on january 6th extensively for rolling stone, and he joins me now. hunter, first let s just start with a little sort of context setting of who these people are. so dustin stockton and jennifer lynn lawrence are this couple that are really veterans of the republican activist world. they bonded first in the 2012 rnc. at the time jen was working for herman cain. dustin was working for newt gingrich. they later began a lengthy association with steve bannon. and they worked on the quote unquote special projects desk for breitbart. they tell me they report directly to him. and these special projects included sort of somewhere between mischief making and dirty tricks, including embedding with bernie sa

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to the committee shed a little more light on what exactly that involvement may have looked like. so let s talk about the allegation against gosar here. they say that they spoke to paul gosar at some point, that he dangled a presidential pardon, which by the way it was due to the fact of their involvement with we build the wall, the organization that steve bannon had been involved with and he was indicted for, essentially bilking diehard maga people who were giving money to this essentially fictitious entity and using the money for lining their own personal pockets. they were involved with that as well. and gosar tells them what? maybe that goes away if you keep it up. well, to be clear, it wasn t a fictitious entity. they brought in about $25 million and they did erect about three miles of wall along the border. the issue with steve bannon is that you know, he represented it as a situation where he wasn t being paid and allegedly ascored according to the doj he and other members of

Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20211215 01:02:00

contempt of congress. as they have previously done with steve bannon. if he is held in contempt, the case goes to the doj, where they will decide whether or not to prosecute. the actual vote is expected soon. we ll continue to bring you the latest on what s happening on the floor. of course this all comes a day after the house committee investigating the insurrection voted unanimously in favor of the contempt resolution the house takes up tonight. and part of the reason that happened, a big part of the reason, is because mark meadows, former chief of staff, his defense that he didn t have to comply with the subpoena because of executive privilege has basically been invalidated. i mean, meadows has been claiming he cannot talk about certain interactions with former president trump because of executive privilege. but then he published a 300-page book discussing those interactions in detail and also provided the schmidt with more than 6,000 pages of e-mails and 2,000 text messages. yester

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bono. dustin and jen had this dramatic raid on their rv in august 2020 out at the casablanca resort and casino in mesquite, nevada. but they were never charged. so they felt like this was hanging over their heads. ah. and according to them paul gosar and his chief of staff tom van fline called them in december of 2020 as they had begun this anti-election bus tour with amy kramer and it was basically represented to them, they say, that the pair had just left the oval office, they talked with trump, and according to them gosar said something along the lines of everybody sees what you re doing, keep it up. and the strong implication was that trump was more likely to consider a pardon for them based on the work they were doing protesting the election. we should say that bannon was part of it s not a crazy notion when you think of the fact that bannon was indicted over his involvement with the exact same organization. he was then pardoned by trump after he tried very hard to essenti

Transcripts for MSNBC All In With Chris Hayes 20211215 01:40:00

pattern to dismiss out of hand. we don t know if it s true. gosar denies it. i want to read here what they told you about why they are cooperating with the committee. behind those noble sentiments about why they re cooperating with the committee is a hard reality. stockton and lawrence are running out of option. we ve seen what happened with bannon. we don t have the resources steve bannon has stockton said reference bannon s multimillion-dollar fortune. our options are in many ways limited. and indeed we saw stockton there today and lawrence there tomorrow. they re facing subpoenas from the committee. that raises the possibility of intense legal bills. and they feel abandoned by trump. i ve reported on how matt and mercy schlapp and matt whitaker, the former acting attorney general, have this legal fund that they ve set up for some of the trump aides caught up in this investigation. stockton and lawrence have gotten no such aid. and they also claim to be feeling really abandoned w

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