good evening, everybody. thank you for staying with us this hour. there was this moment in 2008 on election night that year. i know you were watching our coverage here on msnbc, but on election night in 2008 over on the fox news channel, carl rove in the middle of fox s election night coverage was on tv gaming out john mccain s chances of pulling out a win that night. he said during their election coverage, quote, if senator mccain loses ohio he goes from 286 electoral votes, which the republicans carried in 04, down to 266 and that puts him below the 270 needed to win the white house. he d not only need to sweep the rest of the states, which were won by republicans in 04, he d need to pick up something as well. at that exact moment as carl was saying on fox news as part of their coverage that john mccain basically had to win ohio or