of aetna and you will lose coverage and that s a death spiral. joy disagrees and i know she wants to jump in here. i appreciate her reticence. we know aetna lied and we ve had a federal uj j say aetna lied and they pulled out for other reasons and insurance companies raised premiums and it s what they do, and the congressional budget office made it quite clear the affordable care act is not, not collapsing and not in a death spiral. it s not. i want to quickly get to paul ryan here because it is is there a subtle palace intrigue campaign going on with some people in this white house to undermine paul ryan? i don t know about that, but i was stunned who paul ryan who had been in this town in a long time say at the end of the process, well, theres a diffence being an opposition party and a majorityrty and it s their fourth term in progress and he also said it s really complicated, health care.
this bill as it was written and they both join me now together. gentlemen, welcome. senator leigh, let me start with you, the president is blaming the freedom caucus, club for growth and heritage for, quote, protecting planned parenthood and obamacare. is that a fair read of what happened this week, sir? that is not at all how i see it. this bill didn t pass because it didn t deal with the most fundamental flaw in obamacare. the part of obamacare that has made health care unacceptable and unaffordable. until we get a bill that actually brings down the cost of health care for hardworking americans we re not going to get something that passes. congressman dent, do you pin the blame? some people pin the blame on the moderates, it wasn t just the freedom caucus and the moderates helped tank this, too. what say you? well, i tend to agree with
welfare reform was 56. and from start to finish on health care was 17 days. 17 days and you guys are waving the white flag? it was 17 days in this administration. we ve been working against it the what was the hurry? why didn t you have a bill that could pass in the seven years or why didn t you acknowledge that you needed more time? here is the hurry. there is a lot to be done. we needed to get rid of obamacare. we needed to fix the system so we could help folks back home and then move on to tax reform so we could help get the people back to work. the president wants to do a lot of things and is not willing to do wharand the one thing i told, look, this president is not like any other president that you ve ever seen before. he will not do things the same way. he didn t sell it. he didn t give a major speech on it and he would do rallies and say health care, i can t wait to do tax reform.
of days than i ever thought. i ve never seen the president for a second try to blame paul ryan for this. all right. are you going to repeal and replace obamacare before the end of this year? my guess is we will move on. you are not touching health care. when it fails, and it may be may, and it may be the end of this year, folks will come back and say ? this is no longer a hundred-day priority. the president has things he wants to accomplish and he s not going to wait for congress to sit around and do the right thing. when it breaks and chuck, it s going to break, they will come back to us and ask us to take it up again. i will leave it there. as tax reform gets under way i ll see you there again soon. mick mulvaney, thanks for coming on. appreciate it. it was tanked by a revolt in the house, but it was facing steep opposition in the senate, senator of utah and charlie, and one thing they both agreed on, they weren t going to vote for
conservatism. that was whisked away and there was a cruelty to this bill that was even apparent to conservative voters and publan voters who were shocked at the cruelty and the third thing and the president has hinted at this, too, this was a tax cut. this was an attempt to jam through a giant tax cut for the health toe set the stage for tax reform. charlie dent said that, hugh. he basically said this was all about trying to finance a $2 trillion tax cut hoping that they could make it deficit neutral. charlie, who is a friend of mine, lives in a marginal district. he has to be careful with every vote. half of the freedom caucus who killed this live in a safe, red district. obamacare is the time share that the democrats bought that they cannot admit the cost of, that they keep telling themselves was a good idea. it is in a death spiral. joy and i have had many disagreements about that. it s not the definition of an economic death spiral? it s not the definition. we ll point ou