a bit part of it is also to try and manipulate who is on the jury, and things like that. so, i don t think this removal motion that meadows has filed is going to be successful because it does require you to be performing a federal function, and last time i checked, organizing a coup, even if you re the chief of staff to the president, is not part of your official job scripture. and the chief of staff says, just as a non, lawyer as a person who s worked in politics. andrew, i want to ask you about one of the subtle changes i noticed, and again i m not a lawyer, and trump s tone, where he went from saying that the election is rigged, to i thought the election was rigged. he also changed legal representation. what do you read into that, and this mean anything? good pick up on that. i do think that, if you are his lawyer, you do want to switch to an argument that this is what he believed at the time
his whole time saying it wasn t me, it was those other 18. they re not here. that would be a big advantage for him. but then what happened was a crazy woman joined him, sydney powell, and now john eastman. now he can t really blame them without them blaming him back, and it becomes much more complicated. and after all, sydney powell is sort of the spawn of the conspiracy that he began with his memos. so it s much more difficult for him now that these three have joined in. i would also expect, if the removal motion for some of the people, if it is denied and they have to stay in state court, we may even get more than a three. now, when it comes to looking at it from trump s point of view, it s a huge bonus for him. because he can see exactly what fani willis s case is against the witnesses testifying in advance in their transcripts. and they can use those transcripts in any later trial when he has to do the cross-examination. that s good for him. what s bad for him is that if chesbro an
feel that it s more likely than not. if that fails, though, the state trial would likely be televised. the federal one would not. would donald trump, do you think, in the event that this does actually get heard in a georgia court, where cameras are allowed, would he, do you think, embrace that? or would he try to get cameras barred from the courthouse? i actually think he would embrace it, jake, although i don t think there s unanimity of opinion around him about how to handle that. i think your point about legal experts think there is a real chance. it s not definite, obviously, but there s a chance the removal motion, meaning asking this trial to be moved to federal court because these actions being taken the capacity of his office. prosecutors would argue it was outside his capacity. but he was a federal office holder. there is a non-zero chance that that happens. if that happens this does change
removal motion, and so part of me wonders if mr. chesebro is trying to get out in front of all of that. maybe he reads the writing on the wall that at some point, everyone is going to start turning and point fingers at him. the footage sure doesn t help him, but some of the language he used in the emails in december of 2020 doesn t either. the best way to do it is to try and disrupt the electoral college. this isn t good for him, and perhaps he s just trying to get out before everyone starts looking at him. a, harry litman, that brings us back to your first point, which is the fingers being pointed at each other among the codefendants. so, any copeland raises a very important point of donald trump, who is donald trump going to point the finger at? well, he said, he has basically said publicly, i m gonna point the finger at every single lawyer who was a co defendant in this case. i m gonna say they told me i could do it. i think that s right.
making a greeing aggressive mov wants to get out ahead of this and capable attorney, and if everybody else behaves this way, that is when you will see the cooperators coming in and the case getting stronger. jennifer, you are noting how quickly this move is coming from mark meameadows, and what does t suggest for you? well, they have to do the removal motion within 30 days, so it is not such a surprise, but the day after is still very fast, but what it is telling me is that they are not waiting for donald trump, and oftentimes the defendants lower down in indictment will take the strategy from the lead defendant and his team. in this case, that not what is happening, mark meadows is moving quickly and to move to dismiss at this stage before the removal has been decided is showing again that he is very anxious to get out in front of this, and he wants to be the lead on his own case, and he is not following donald trump or anyone else, and he wants to be in front of this asap.