washington officials from the cincinnati folks about the targeting of conservative groups a year earlier than the irs has acknowledged that they knew bit. so we ll get into that with jay sekulow who represents some of those groups in coming legal action. he is chief counsel of the american center for law and justice. jay, welcome back. good to have you here this morning. first of all, i want to get your reaction? what goes through your mind when you listen to that? an agency completely out of control, incapable of self-governance. i suspect at this point, probably, incapable of self-correction. i mean, martha, you look at, if you were a business, and i had a client that could not produce, they also could not produce the $50 million expended, 10% of the receipts, which is $5 million. if i had a client that could not justify through reit receipts $5 million of expenditures they don t get the deduction. this agency is not only out of control, they re violating what everybody else in ame