number of terrorist incidents that we have been able to instrument because of these kind of programs. so they need to be reined in, but these folks making these commentary from the cheap seats should put a bill on the floor. carly fiorina, you know, i think it s important because what congress has failed to do is actually have the gut to have a debate. if you want to debate these things, then don t pass the patriot act in perpetuity. don t give the president authority to wage a military campaign without coming back and saying, hey, maybe we ought to review this. but mike, who ran the nsa, was on last week, and he made the point these programs cannot operate in the dark. they have to be politically sustainable. here s what he said last week. i think it s living in this kind of a democracy we re going to have to be a little bit less effective in order to be a little more transparent to get to do anything to defend the american people. your thoughts. well, mike hayden was a great
country felt on the day of the boston bombings, that horrific incident, amplify that by 25 or 50, which are the number of terrorist incidents we have been able to interrupt because of these kind of programs. so they need to be reined in, but these folks that are making all these commentaries from the cheap seats should put a bill on the floor. carly fiorina, i think it is important, because what congress has failed to do is have the guts to have a debate. if you want to debate these things, then don t pass the patriot act in perpetuity. don t give the president the authority to wage a military campaign without coming back to say, hey, maybe we ought to do this. they made the point that these programs cannot operate in the dark. they have to be politically sustainable. here s what he said last week that i thought was interesting. we ll show it to you. i think it s living in this kind of a democracy, we re going to have to be a little bit less effective in order to be a little bit mo
now, obviously, we re going to have to have some changes in section 215 and maybe in the law that authorizes the fisa court to do what it has done. i don t know exactly what those amendments need to be, but obviously this program has got to be reined in. we should look at the business records of people who are targets of investigations and people who are foreigners, but we don t need to grab everybody s phone calls and they can even go to grabbing the phone calls of journalists or members of congress, who are protected in one way or the other by the constitution, so that the administration, whoever it may be, can see who we are in contact with and try to figure out how we are building a case to do what a journalist or member of congress want to do. there are no checks and balances here. we ve got to restore them. you know, congressman, if i broke the law or anybody
now, obviously, we re going to have to have some changes in section 215 and maybe in the law that authorizes the fisa court to do what it has done. i don t know exactly what those amendments need to be, but obviously this program has got to be reined in. we should look at the business records of people who are targets of investigations and people who are foreigners, but we don t need to grab everybody s phone calls and they can even go to grabbing the phone calls of journalists or members of congress, who are protected in one way or the other by the constitution, so that the administration, whoever it may be, can see who we are in contact with and try to figure out how we are building a case to do what a journalist or member of congress want to do. there are no checks and balances here. we ve got to restore them. you know, congressman, if i broke the law or anybody
presidential campaign then senator barack obama was really hitting the bush administration hard on executive power. saying a lot of this needed to be reined in. a second point i will make after the event in san jose, the president is going to palm springs to meet with the chinese president. at top of the agenda was supposed to pressure china over some of the cyber attacks. backdrop of the meetings with the china s president will be the u.s. s own surveillance programs, bill. bill: ed mentioned this, wisconsin congressman james sensenbrenner. we ll talk to him live. we ll tell you why he thinks, quote, this is really big deal. and why he says this is never what the patriot act intended. we ll talk to him live in our washington bureau coming up in a couple minutes. martha: attorney general eric holder answering questions under oath at a previously scheduled hearing. mark kirk asking the ag who else the government is listening to? when government bureaucrats are sloppy they re usually r