russian-speaking citizens on the ground, and they re having trouble holding airports they took a week ago. you would think their problems would be they would sweep through this country, or they believe it, and their problems would be in central and western ukraine. nary having trouble nailing down areas close to their border. talk about that. yeah, that s right, joe. that s why you saw this ridiculous offer by putin yesterday of humanitarian corridors. we have seen massive refugee flows to the west, poland, massive numbers, hungary. you are seeing people move that way. but if you were in the east, you are in trouble. you are essentially surrounded by all of these axes of advance. these populations, no way they re going to russia. secondly, russia uses it as propaganda at home. if anyone were to go into the refugee situations in russia or belarus it would be seen as people are fleeing ukraine because they can t be taken care
been arranging accommodation and their perceptions. there is a time that more needs to be done in terms of how these people can go. now we see more people earlier arriving knew where to go. now there are more reception centres that need to be notified in in terms of finding a place for them and also let s not forget that the board of his very cold. most of them who have left ukraine are women and children who have been queueing up for hours and days as well so they need support as they enter the neighbouring countries of ukraine and so the call of solidarity is not only in the region, in the neighbouring countries, but goes beyond as well and as we have seen in many refugee situations that may bea be a step forward in terms of providing safety and support they need help. providing safety and support they need hel. ,,, ., ~ ., , need help. speaking of neighbours, poland has taken need help. speaking of neighbours, poland has taken on
steps is to take stock of other refugee situations, and think a couple of steps ahead, to avoid some of the problems that other refugee situations have encountered. we are fortunate, and i want to offer some thoughts on that, first, that the situation is likely long term, and once people flee, become refugees, about ten years after conflict ends only about 30% have returned, so what this likely means and the situation is that the vast majority of people fleeing today are probably going to be a permanent presence in the eu. another important point is the importance ofjobs. jobs are importance of jobs. jobs are really importance ofjobs. jobs are really important when refugees are in communities, self reliance, dignity, as experienced and important. [30
actually, they ve lost seven. but if you think about beginning of world war ii, they lost hundreds of thousands of soldiers, hundreds of generals were gotten rid of by stalin, and they were able to reach into the depth of the country and over time, build up mass to come back. and that s what we want to prevent. we don t want to give them that opportunity. the problem is, ukraine does not have unlimited time. they don t have unlimited amounts of ammunition. and so, what i m advocating is that our administration has got to start talking about winning, not just keeping ukraine from losing. and that means we ve got to have a much more a much stronger sense of urgency. the excellent report that dasha just did, all those refugees, if we don t help ukraine break the back of russia in the next three weeks, then we re going to be seeing these refugee situations for months and months and
coming months and we would urge the government to help more people out of that region as soon as they got across those land borders we need to be doing more and we need to be looking at more safe routes for all people in entrenched refugee situations because it s notjust people from afghanistan. pakistan is already a significant refugee hosting country. there needs to be more that we can do throughout that region to offer more safety to more people. region to offer more safety to more eole. ., , ., ., people. louise of refugee action, we re very people. louise of refugee action, we re very grateful people. louise of refugee action, we re very grateful to people. louise of refugee action, we re very grateful to you - people. louise of refugee action, we re very grateful to you for- we re very grateful to you for spending the time to talk to us. very much. the bbc s moscow correspondent has left russia today, expelled by the authorities after being labelled a threat to national se