This was recorded at the National Archives in washington in 2007. It is about one hour. I have the pleasure of introducing him to years ago, when he was discussing luckiest man, the life and death of lou gehrig. As he be introducing him discusses his book, opening day, the story of Jackie Robinsons i was thinking about the similarities in the two men that he has chronicled inir baseball and beyond, some respects, other aspects of their lives. Both men share these qualities,. Ourage, commitment, that commitment was not too plain excellence, but to , and a contribution to the larger society. The other quality they both had indeed was character. They both died young. Remembered as sports , and in both cases as spectacular as their baseball statistics were, there was a lot more to each man. Represented fabled new york teams, i guess mortal enemies and such is the transition in life that i started out the fan of one and later made the crossing to the other. Had an appreciation for the outst