Judd. And joining us here in our studios in washington, she covers politics and border issues for usa today. And with the first line of questioning, stephen dinan, assistant managing editor of the washington times. Stephen brandon, border apprehension numbers are down dramatically from where they were the peak of the surge in may and june. Im wondering, what happened . Why are those numbers down and maybe most importantly, who gets credit for that . Mr. Judd you first have to take a look at the driving factor that pulls people to come to the United States illegally, and the main magnet that we call it is the catch and release program. Anytime that people cross the border illegally and know they are just going to be released into the interior of the United States to wait for an asylum or deportation hearing they people tend to cross our borders illegally in large numbers. Ever since the u. S. Government started the migrant protection protocols, or the wait in mexico program, those numbe